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Poster: bgypt Date: Jan 4, 2010 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Mix & Tones May Break My Bones

Hi all, this is my first post after years of lurking on the archive. My taste in the Dead generally leans pre-Brent but I've slowly been incorporating the 80s into the repertoire and discovered this fantastic show at the Melkweg in Amsterdam. This link is to a nice matrix but the aud is solid on its own.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-10-16.mtx.chappell.sb27.95431.flac16

The reason I highlight this night (besides having a stellar setlist) is because the sound of the instruments, which on that night were borrowed after a mix-up with the crew. Billy's drums especially make this a unique show as he sounds like he's playing a small jazz trap. The Melkweg was apparently a relatively small club and a wonderful sense of intimacy comes through on the recording as the boys do it bar-band style.

New Years Eve '72, with the 45 minute Truckin'>Other One monster has long been a favorite simply because I love the sound of Billy's snare on the sbd.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-12-31.prefm.vernon.20559.sbeok.shnf

It's punchy, distinct, and mixed a bit high but has to my ears, a tone different than I'm used to hearing on other sets around the same time. I'm curious as to what shows you all consider unique not for setlist, playing, sbd quality, etc. but for instrument configuration, tone, mix and the like.

Does this make sense to anyone else???

EDIT: whoops, meant Billy not Keith - corrected. Don't wake and bake, kids!


This post was modified by bgypt on 2010-01-04 17:44:49

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Poster: jessandra Date: Jan 4, 2010 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mix & Tones May Break My Bones

Thanks for the post and I'll give them a listen.

The Melkweg was and still is the hottest little venue in mid Europe. It holds ca. 1500 without seating and 1000 with seating. It first opened in 1970. DSO and Gov't Mule are regulars there and have also played at - Jam in the Dam - the annual 3 day highlight event of jamming at the Melkweg each year.

http://www.jaminthedam.com/index.html

Amsterdam and the Melkweg is about 2.5 hours from where I live and I try to get there whenever I can.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 4, 2010 3:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mix & Tones May Break My Bones

Where do you live? FYI, I love Utrecht and am just curious. Amsterdam in the fall remains one of the great cities for walking around....

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Poster: jessandra Date: Jan 4, 2010 3:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mix & Tones May Break My Bones

I am in Germany - an hour north of Frankfurt and an hour south of Cologne (Köln). The nearest larger city is Koblenz where the Rhine and Mosel Rivers meet (ca. 30 minutes).

I've been to Utrecht but can't remember when or why. I think I was just a tourist and it was in the early 90s -

Amsterdam is a very fun city any time of year ... !!

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Poster: Shooting Dark Star Date: Jan 4, 2010 5:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mix & Tones May Break My Bones

Strange of me to chime in, as I hardly ever post (I am the ultimate lurker), but this audience copy of an '87 show, resonates with booming Phil's and snappy percussions. I do believe it's more the venue than the instruments, but tasty nontheless

http://www.archive.org/details/gd87-07-08.beyerM88s.connor.2318.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jan 4, 2010 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mix & Tones May Break My Bones

10-16-1981 and 12-31-1972 have long been out there as great shows, Melk Weg does show the band playing on borrowed instruments, Garcia is on a Yamaha strat knock-off and Weir plays a telecaster styled guitar...12-31-1972, the truckin>other one is huge...

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Jan 4, 2010 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mix & Tones May Break My Bones

Considering that Keith was a keyboard player and not a drummer and was no longer a part of the band by 1981.....no, your post makes no sense to me at all.

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Poster: bgypt Date: Jan 4, 2010 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mix & Tones May Break My Bones

Right, thanks. Good thing we can edit posts here...

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Jan 4, 2010 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mix & Tones May Break My Bones

Now I understand....:)

Here is one you can try. I like it because on all of the aud sources I have heard, the drums seem to have a really full sound to me. Hard to explain, but it is almost as if they have an echo to them. My guess is that it shows up on the auds do to the acoustics at the venue. If I recall, unless you were in fob seats, the sound really seemed to bounce around inside the Meadowlands. It is really noticeable to me during Dancin' to open the 2nd set.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd84-10-18.nak.miller.17273.sbeok.shnf

Here is another one....and I am risking my LMA participation rights by daring to reccomend something from the (gasp) '90s....

http://www.archive.org/details/gd93-09-13.sbd.barbella.7361.sbeok.shnf

Jerry is using the MIDI big time in this one to achieve an acoustic sound thruought much of this show...
I don't listen to much from post Brent, but I do visit this one occasionally due to the MIDI effect. I think Jerry may have been using this effect in other shows from this tour as well, but I'm not certain!!



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Poster: bgypt Date: Jan 5, 2010 8:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mix & Tones May Break My Bones

That '93 show is the only one from that year that i have due to the scarlet>fire>playin>dark star>terrapin - an incredible grouping I would have loved to hear during '77 or so. nice recommendation.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Jan 4, 2010 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mix & Tones May Break My Bones

I've enjoyed the sound of this one from time to tome, but I appreciate the reminder. I'll revisit this show at your recommendation. Again, welcome to the posting few who constructively pursue the point of this forum.

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Poster: bgypt Date: Jan 4, 2010 10:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mix & Tones May Break My Bones

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This post was modified by bgypt on 2010-01-04 18:45:37

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Poster: bgypt Date: Jan 4, 2010 10:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mix & Tones May Break My Bones

thanks amosearle. i've followed somewhat the antics and side-trips of this forum but am interested solely in discussing music with those like-minded.